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  Did you Fade Gradually or Stop Attending Meetings Quickly ? Reasons ?

  by flipper in

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  been thinking about this and curious about what makes us all come to the decisions we came to in our fade/exiting the jw organization.. i think for myself having been born-in & raised a jw my doubts about the generation doctrine had simmered for years within me quietly and by the time i finally left in 2003 i had reached my breaking point.

  also seeing unjust treatment of rank & file witness ( myself included ) just propelled me into my decision even quicker.

  so - one day after meeting with 3 elders in a back room before a meeting and seeing their judgmental aggression towards me - i just told myself " enough is enough ".

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  Outlaw, well done, keep it simple, keep it quick. Did you not have any problems with family or friends?

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  Did you Fade Gradually or Stop Attending Meetings Quickly ? Reasons ?

  by flipper in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  been thinking about this and curious about what makes us all come to the decisions we came to in our fade/exiting the jw organization.. i think for myself having been born-in & raised a jw my doubts about the generation doctrine had simmered for years within me quietly and by the time i finally left in 2003 i had reached my breaking point.

  also seeing unjust treatment of rank & file witness ( myself included ) just propelled me into my decision even quicker.

  so - one day after meeting with 3 elders in a back room before a meeting and seeing their judgmental aggression towards me - i just told myself " enough is enough ".

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  When I met my husband he was 45 years of age and had been disfellowshipped around the age of 15. He left home aged 25 and moved over 100 miles away from his parents.

  However, his mother used to sometimes visit and interfered and got him reinstated very much against his wishes. Therefore, when I met he was attending the KH and the Group Study as much as his shift work allowed. He had gone out on FS occasionally but never handed in a report.

  When he met me his mother warned him off because I was not a JW however he stuck to his guns and said he didnt want to be alone anymore. I started attending the KH with him in 2003 prior to our marriage in March 2004. At first I was very interested but quickly saw the flaws in what they preached and taught. It was during these conversations that my husband said that he had never wanted to be reinstated in the first place.

  We kept attending the meetings as his shifts allowed to keep his mother happy. His parents are quite demanding in us visiting them so we began only visiting on a Sunday which meant us and them missing meetings. Although husband was off during the week I was at work and Saturday traffic where we used to live and where they live was horrendous hence the Sunday visit. This was the beginnning of our fade. Another factor was that the Elder from our book study group said we had to attend another Group. This was further away and my husband said we had no chance of getting there by 7.30pm as the traffic where we used to live at the time of day was impossible so we never attended the new Group. Therefore our old group thought we have moved groups the new group never missed us as we never started going there. This was the start of our fade.

  In 2007 I had to give up work and I had surgery in April 2007 which meant I couldn't attend meetings at all for six weeks and wasn't to be left alone in the house. As we didn't live near any family and friends this meant my husband couldn't attend meetings either. We resumed going to meetings following the six weeks on our usual sporadic basis.

  Our KH has three meetings each Sunday which they rotate so each congregation gets two years at the same time. We had 10 o'clock, 1pm and 4pm meetings. We were going at 10 a.m. in 2007 but in January 2009 when our congregation was moved to 1pm we continued to go at 10 0'clock as this suited us better regarding family sometimes coming over on a Sunday for a roast.

  Therefore, if we saw anyone or someone from our group phoned to see where we were we were able to say that we went to a different meeting. Our congregation was very small but the one we went to instead always had a full hall so it was unlikely whether we were noticed there or not if the Elders from our congregation asked those Elders. Eventually we stopped attending, I think the last meeting we went to was November 2008.

  However, sometime last year an elderly lady from the congregation kept calling on us.

  I hardly every answered the door as we never had surprise visitors so unless I was expecting a parcel I used to ignore the door and sometimes saw JWs doing their normal FS most of whom probably didn't know which house in the Close was ours. However, this old lady used to often call around 8.45 a.m, when our blinds and curtains were still shut and she knew full well my husband worked shifts. It was every two to three weeks or so.

  However, we moved out of our house in February this year but had reason to go back prior to the new people moving in and I found a tract that she had put through the door. My husband said there was some significance in the fact that she had written "Mr & Mrs Little Imp" rather then our first names in the note she wrote on it.

  We are dying to know whether she has worked it out that we have moved yet or not since she only came round on weekdays and the new people would always be at work then. The only other way she may know is if MIL has told an Elders wife she befriended in that congregation who would have to tell her husband who may mention it to this old lady. This particular Elder's wife never goes to meetings.

  Sorry this is long winded but this is how it happened.

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  Jehovahs Witnesses taught that Armageddon would occur in 1914,1915,1918,1921,1925,1932,1941 and 1975. Who is the father

  by Little Imp in

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  i saw a very long thread on answerbag answering the above question in which there are several jws responding and denyng vehemently what is said in the question.

  in some places being quite rude to people.

  the dialogue highlighted yellow is me, the text highlighted blue is someone who is agreeing that the jws did preach this.

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  Thanks for your responses. They are most certainly in denial about it all.

  They do, however, quote Fred Franz a lot I guess it's because of what Design said in that he downplayed his own prediction because he began to realise it might not happen.

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  Tomorrow will be one of the PROUDEST days of my life.

  by nicolaou in

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  iv'e been posting here a long time but here's something i never shared before .

  i'm still a window cleaner.

  i'm not going to rant at the 'society' because they don't own my anger anymore but my work is certainly a legacy of my cult past.

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  What a wonderful story, I love a happy ending!

  Seriously, though stories like this must give other people so much hope for their own lives, families, future etc. When they feel so trapped and they read this it will give them strength to know that it is possible to change one's life around.

  I know you will enjoy the graduation and to think your other two children are following too. They are so fortunate to have such a wonderful father.

  Have a great day.

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  Jehovahs Witnesses taught that Armageddon would occur in 1914,1915,1918,1921,1925,1932,1941 and 1975. Who is the father

  by Little Imp in

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  i saw a very long thread on answerbag answering the above question in which there are several jws responding and denyng vehemently what is said in the question.

  in some places being quite rude to people.

  the dialogue highlighted yellow is me, the text highlighted blue is someone who is agreeing that the jws did preach this.

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  It is very odd, they say they are in "The Truth" but the truth is exactly what they do not tell. When my husband and I were fading we used to say we were in "The Lies".

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  Jehovahs Witnesses taught that Armageddon would occur in 1914,1915,1918,1921,1925,1932,1941 and 1975. Who is the father

  by Little Imp in

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  i saw a very long thread on answerbag answering the above question in which there are several jws responding and denyng vehemently what is said in the question.

  in some places being quite rude to people.

  the dialogue highlighted yellow is me, the text highlighted blue is someone who is agreeing that the jws did preach this.

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  Thanks Mamalove.

  I must admit my in-laws do admit it too. However, if you ever have time you should look at the site Answerbag they all see to completely deny it. What I cut and pasted above is only a snapshot of what they say on the subject. It is truly amazing they just seem to be in complete denial and get quite rude to people who dare to challenge what they say. Hence, why I kept my responses super polite.

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  Jehovahs Witnesses taught that Armageddon would occur in 1914,1915,1918,1921,1925,1932,1941 and 1975. Who is the father

  by Little Imp in

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  i saw a very long thread on answerbag answering the above question in which there are several jws responding and denyng vehemently what is said in the question.

  in some places being quite rude to people.

  the dialogue highlighted yellow is me, the text highlighted blue is someone who is agreeing that the jws did preach this.

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  I sincerely think Grandma Jones that if they did talk to people like yourself and my husband they would just say it was apostate lies. My husband says that all they have to do is say something is apostate and everyone backs down and will believe what they are told to believe rather than what truly happened.

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  Jehovahs Witnesses taught that Armageddon would occur in 1914,1915,1918,1921,1925,1932,1941 and 1975. Who is the father

  by Little Imp in

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  i saw a very long thread on answerbag answering the above question in which there are several jws responding and denyng vehemently what is said in the question.

  in some places being quite rude to people.

  the dialogue highlighted yellow is me, the text highlighted blue is someone who is agreeing that the jws did preach this.

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  I knew nothing about the JWs in 1975 but my husband was born in and he was 16 that year so has a clear memory of it. When I saw the thread on AB with the witnesses completely denying it I was astounded so thought I would pen a polite reply. I cannot believe that they say that it is just "hearsay", how is it so many people lived through it and remember it if that was the case.

  Needless to say, neither of them has replied to my question asking if they were witnesses in 1975. I suspect that they weren't and they won't reply to my question.

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  Message from my pioneer sister

  by TweetieBird in

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  Excellent Sabastious
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  Jehovahs Witnesses taught that Armageddon would occur in 1914,1915,1918,1921,1925,1932,1941 and 1975. Who is the father

  by Little Imp in

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  i saw a very long thread on answerbag answering the above question in which there are several jws responding and denyng vehemently what is said in the question.

  in some places being quite rude to people.

  the dialogue highlighted yellow is me, the text highlighted blue is someone who is agreeing that the jws did preach this.

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• I saw a very long thread on Answerbag answering the above question in which there are several JWs responding and denyng vehemently what is said in the question. In some places being quite rude to people. The dialogue highlighted yellow is me, the text highlighted blue is someone who is agreeing that the JWs did preach this. In my replies I have tried to be ultra polite and not letting on how much knowledge I have about the faith. What does everyone think?

• The two replies highlighted pink and green are two JWs responding.

• I work with a very nice Jehovahs Witness. He was brought up in the faith and he remembers 1975 clearly. He said he and his family attended assemblies where the main topic was Armageddon in 1975. They were discouraged from further education but to take up full time door to door work.
  
  I have also spoken to an old lady who has knocked on my door over the years and she says the same too. She also mentioned a book that was printed called "Millions now living will never die." She has promised to bring her copy for me to read as I find reading about religion very interesting.
  
  I hope this helps.

Thank for your input. It seems that many JW's defending their fath have short memories about what was in fact said in the past. Oh well, that's their problem.

• Well I suppose I can understand someone defending something that is important to them but there is no shame in admitting when a mistake is made. I have a lot of time for these two people as they are both very honest, which, quite frankly is what I would expect from someone claiming to be a Christian.
• "He said he and his family attended assemblies where the main topic was Armageddon in 1975"
  
  hat we have here is hearsay from you that is supposedly hearsay from someone else. Keeping that in mind, are you saying that there were several assemblies where they said that Armageddon was going to happen in 1975?
  
  Did your friends also say mention the assembly referenced in the 1975 Yearbook or the quote in the 1975 Yearbook itself?
  
  From nick batchelor on September 21st, 2010 above:
  [In the 1975 Yearbook you can read of this experience:
  
  "At the convention held in Baltimore, Maryland, F. W. Franz gave the concluding talk. He began by saying: "Just before I got on the platform a young man came to me and said, 'Say, what does this 1975 mean?'" Brother Franz then referred to the many questions that had arisen as to whether the material in the new book meant that by 1975 Armageddon would be finished, and Satan would be bound. He stated, in essence: 'It could. But we are not saying. All things are possible with God. But we are not saying. And don't any of you be specific in saying anything that is going to happen between now and 1975. But the big point of it all is this, dear friends: Time is short. Time is running out, no question about that."]
  
  
  Ask your friend what the August 15, 1968 Watchtower says in relation to 1975.
  
  
  According to the Bible, how long was the Babylonian captivity?
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• Very true Tex. What could they say back then “That it is NOT going to be in 1975”?
  Just like today. What Christian could say that “It will not be in 2010 or 2011”?
  No one knows. That is the po

• Thank you both. I will certainly ask my colleague at work and also the old lady who I regularly discuss the bible with and I will also ask the questions that you have given me as it seems interesting.
  
  A question for both too please, were either of you JWs in 1975?
  
  Thank you for your interest.